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- supportive of spiritual development
- to be avoided
- otherwise linked to spirituality

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2 great online posts by Muslims discussing alcohol and Islam: free-minds.org & quran-islam.org

The Muslim prophet condemned alcohol but WHAT was he talking about? Distilled alcohol or just plain natural alcohol? In those days people only realized there WAS such a thing as alcohol AFTER they got around to distilling it! Did the prophet hate wine? Perhaps he merely hated THE ABUSE of wine... What was the "alcohol" he forbade and why?

Considering this online source that quotes a number of Hadith and Surah there was certainly a serious debate about alcohol. It would seem BECAUSE it was clearly also healthy in certain cases.

From these examples it is remarkable that, though the word "alcohol" at times appears to be used, it's used in a context with other words (and meanings) like:
- "strong drink"
- "liquor"
- "drunk" and "intoxicated"
- "indulging in drinking"
It's also mentioned that it's particularly evil to do the Salat while intoxicated. Duhh.
Sentences like "After the meal, as was customary liquor was served" make it clear that these examples speak neither of ale nor wine. It speaks of the distilled alcoholic beverages WHICH THE ARABS HAD BY THEN LEARNED TO PRODUCE.
The stories also speak of the typical acts and follies that follow from drunkeness that's typical of consuming much liquor. THIS is the kind of thing the Hadith and Surah warn against. It's also the kind of alcohol they warn against.

This explanation states that the Prophet said [paraphrased]: "If it intoxicates in a large amount, it is forbidden even in a small amount."
I'm sure that's the argument most loved by the culturalistic/popular hate of alcohol. Simplistic/authoritarian minds have, of course, deemed all alcohol evil, much like politics and consensus decided all fats, carbs, tobacco, spices, salts, etc. are evil. It's the way of all authoritarian forces throughout all times and cultures. It's also insipid and lacking any merit.
Those who focus on Hadith and Sunnah like to quote supposedly historical figures, like:
Umar Ibn Hanzala says that he enquired from Imam Ja’far as-Sadiq (a.s.): “Does it matter if as much water is mixed in wine so that it is no more intoxicating?”
Imam (a.s.) replied:“No! By Allah it is not. Even if a drop of wine falls into a well full of water it does not become Halāl. Rather the whole well has to be emptied.”

Okay, you're joking, right? :-/
In a world where you will die without water, you'll sacrifice a well because a fermented grape fell in?! That's just plain crazy. As soon as you start embracing that kind of rhetoric, you know you've entered the realm of religious fanaticism, and not in any good way.

It would appear, anyway, that the Qur'an has the last word in such matters, for the 4th Surah, 59 states:
"O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among
you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if ye do believe
in Allah and the Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination."

Furthermore, the Qur'an clearly establishes respect and acknowledgement of the value of prophets and Books previous to Qur'an and 'their final prophet' and there we only find admonitions against drinking "too much wine" and the like, not to mention the prophet Jesus actually making wine himself (out of water at his own wedding).

I have heard a Muslim say that she believes that alcohol is forbidden except when it is healthy. This is, however, a distinction that can only be UNDERSTOOD by what i explain above. Mostly, therefore, people just ASSUME that alcohol is bad and evil (including btw the person who told me "except when it is healthy").

I've consumed half a liter of my own brew and experienced a slight buzz. This is NOTHING like being drunk. If one might call it intoxicated at all, i wonder if another would even notice the buzz i'm enjoying.
Should a Muslim drink like that before prayer? Probably not. To take this advice about intoxication to the level to forbid ALL use of ANYTHING containing ANY alcohol, that's just chucking out the baby with the bathwater.
Ignorant people also speak about marijuana and cocaine in one breath. That is just politcally correct bs, nothing more nothing less. Such talk and attitude is typical of ignorant and prejudiced individuals and is about people who refuse to consider such matters intelligently. "Understanding", btw, is another matter stressed in the Qur'an...

I have not quoted all relevant and valuable arguments in this matter; for this i refer to the articles at the beginning of this post.



Another prohibition comes to mind: the great Genghis Khan once decreed that anyone who stopped during a raid was to be strangled to death. However, it turns out that if a horse needs to pee, it will stop no matter what, i.e. some very fine warriors were put to death because their horse had to pee at an inopportune moment.
The decree was adjusted after a time though that didn't help the many good warriors who'd already been put to death. Though any Muslim would likely say that Genghis Khan was not prophet [at least not like theirs], it's clear from the history of the Hadiths and Surah that the supposed prohibition on alcohol is more subtle than simple minds assume and accept.
God/Allah gave everyone a brain. Even if you believe in such a being, therefore, it doesn't mean adjusting life to what the ignorant masses ASSUME.
Life; no batteries included; some intelligence required...


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Does Alcohol Kill Brain Cells?
[the scientific answer is: "No"]

Why Does Beer Make You Pee?
Alcohol has gotten a bad rap. It APPEARS that all major religions are opposed to it and that alone, again, SUGGESTS that it's generally a bad idea.
The word ALCOHOL is Arabic in origin [though ultimately Shumerian]. Looking into THE ORIGIN OF THE ARABIC WORD, however, gives a more nuanced view of it. Arabs were the first (in our age/dispensation) to use distillation to make "alcohol". The PRODUCT OF THE DISTILLATION PROCESS that they devised is what's called alcohol. Then you're talking about the pure CHEMICAL substance.
So the word alcohol is actually directly linked to the distillation process linked to it's origin. It's about taking something out of something, like what pharmaceutical companies do, giving it an entirely different essence than it had while it was still in the source. Like white sugar is very different from maple syrup.
The Arabs [while we're on the subject] embraced the teachings of their prophet who condemned the use of... "alcohol". Obviously, one might muse, what he was talking about is this product that THE ARABS were dealing with: distilled alcohol [i.e. the white sugar of sugars].
But what about wine? What about ale? What about virtually every fermented drink on the planet? Keeping in mind that JUST ABOUT EVERY LONG-LIVED CIVILIZATION ON THE PLANET HAS ENJOYED (AND PROSPERED BY) THE BENEFICIAL EFFECTS OF FERMENTED FOODS AND DRINKS.
Veganism is really a rebellious principle. There are no long-lived cultures in mankind's (recent) history that were vegan. It certainly seems that we NEED the probiotics and other benefits that fermented products offer us. Ale and wine are such products, together with an astounding array of other fermented drinks (each with their own names, i.e. which cannot be CALLED beers or wines).
Veganism, therefore, really begins with being AGAINST something [i.e. animal products]. The morals against alcohol are similar: because of MAINSTREAM problems with alcohol, it's dismissed as a matter of course. Vegans don't take mankind's history into account: there are NO long-lived vegan civilizations. They mainly hate using animal products because of the offenses and abuses associated with such use IN MAINSTREAM SOCIETY. The two are linked. They're understandable (but nonetheless) REactions to mainstream society's problems. Ironically, vegans would do well [they don't really have a choice if they would be healthy] to NOT approach fermented foods and drinks as they approach the matter of animal products. They NEED the probiotics, enzymes, and other benefits that fermented products offer more than anybody (having cut off animal-based sources that might offer them such nutrition, like cheeses).

Ale or wine, therefore, by definition, really, don't contain alcohol. But they do. Does maple syrup contain white sugar? Of course not. But it contains SUGAR.
There is no such distinction in names when it comes to alcohol but there IS a distinction in nature: the alcohol that naturally develops in fermented drinks is a very different substance than the distilled alcohol one finds in whiskey, cognac [distilled wine], etc. etc. etc.
In our modern society the use of alcohol has become synonymous with the hedonistic lifestyle. Good things containing alcohol have been condemned as a matter of course because no distinction is made in quality of alcohol. We distinguish between sugars, suggesting people eat maple syrup, honey, or cane sugar as healthy alternatives. Why? Because the sugars in these products are still connected to their biological sources. A sugar that comes with a fruit complete with enzymes and minerals is a very different sugar for the body to deal with than the pure chemical sugar that's the result of agressive chemical processes that take place in some factory.
The same applies to alcohol; alcohol in a naturally brewed ale that's still surrounded by the living one-celled organisms that produced it, plus enzymes, and minerals that are biologically aligned,, is a very different substance than alcohol that's the product of the distillation process.

People often think they're 'doing good' by staying away from alcohol. It is an opinion brought on by ignorance and rebellion against an ignorant modern morality. It's about ignorance of alcohol, it's origins, and how it's been a part of ALL long-lived civilizations in mankind's past.
Daniel Vitalis actually makes the claim that natural alcohols are GOOD for the liver...
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